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Category: Translation - Hungarian
Approval Date: 6/11/2025 1:58 PM
Family Surname: ENGLANDER
Country: Hungary
Town: Palotás
Date of Image: 1856

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6/11/2025 4:13 PM

Here you go David. This record was actually written in German but of course in a Hungarian-language environment and by a Hungarian speaker. The common nouns are German (though in many cases written with Hungarian spelling conventions). The proper nouns are probably also best interpreted by a Hungarian speaker (which I am not).

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GROOM
Jacab Englender, dealer in decorative goods [Galantrihändler], born in Lomna, Sem.[?] county [Sem. Comit(at)], resident of Kikőnős, age 33 years, unmarried
Parents: Jacab Goldner, Rosali N.,* residents of Szensal Peszt

BRIDE
Rési Eisler, born in E. Tartso, age 21 years, unmarried, resident of Palotas No. 46
Parents: Bernhad Eisler, Klári N.,* dishware merchant [Geschier Handl.], residents of Palotás

MARRIAGE
17 August 1856

PLACE
Palotás

WITNESSES AND OFFICIANT
Jacab Goldner, Samu Sveitzer, R[abbi] Phi. Jungreis

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* I wonder if a Hungarian speaker would interpret this capital N to signify “maiden name unknown.”

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Translated by Robert Rosenbaum (Ashland, Oregon)
M.A. in Translation and Interpretation (German-English), Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey
rosenbaum.robert@gmail.com

6/12/2025 12:59 PM

is there such a town with the name Szensal Peszt?

6/13/2025 1:56 PM

No, there's no such place as "Szensal Peszt". Nor is there a "Kikőnős", and there's no county that would abbreviate to "Sem". The only placename in the groom's entry that actually exists is Lomna, of which there were several, one of them in Zemplén county. (It's now Lomné in Slovakia.)

The bride's entry is slightly better: I'm pretty sure "E. Tartso" is trying to be Erdő-Tarcsa in Nógrád county, which is also where Palotás is. (They also have in common that their Jewish residents were recorded in Szirák.)

Getting back to the groom's entry, I'm wondering if "Kikőnős" is a miscopied Kiskőrös? That's a town that was in Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun county. (It's now in Bács-Kiskun.) It's the middle of the Great Plain, so nowhere near either Zemplén or Nógrád, but clearly, the groom traveled.

The closest I've found to "Szensal" is Szancsal in Küküllö county, but that's Transylvania, so it rather stretches credibility here. I suspect it must be a miscopied abbreviation of something.

6/15/2025 3:28 PM

Kikőnős is referring to
Nagykökényes near palotas.
and E. Tartso is referring to Erdő-Tarcsa.
and this is what we new abaut jacab, that or he, or his perents, cam from poland

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