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Submitted by Dov Weber

Information Picture Question
Category: Translation - Polish
Approval Date: 2/1/2026 1:31 PM
Family Surname: Rozenman
Country: Poland
Town: Lublin
Date of Image: 1851
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I'd like to know the name & parents, grandparents, Kids, verify date, ages, any towns of origin
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2/6/2026 9:16 PM Hello,
Here is all the relevant family information:

First, the surname looks like ROSENREIM, not ROZENMAN, but that could be a clerical error.

No. 76

The death was on 14 (2 [Julian calendar]) February 1851 at 6 p.m. [18:00], in Lublin in house no. 482.

The decedent was Wolf ROSENREIM, cap-maker, a married man with children, born in Lublin, 60 years old, son of Icek and Rojża (parents both deceased).

His surviving relatives were his wife, Certel[?]; his sons, Zelman, Icek, and Abram (in the army [probably referring only to Abram]); and his daughter, Rojża, in Lublin.
10/11/2026 1:10 PM a tad late perhaps .... I am evaluating AI routines in particular in relation to transcribing personal and family names in historic vital records. People get extremely upset if AI return unexpected results and whilst AI does get it wrong ... a lot... we need feedback to understand why... so we can correct.

Now I took the liberty of looking at your image (I hope you don't mind) and ran routines against 2 AI engines with different levels of image cropping etc and since I've got the results I thought i might as well share since you might be interested....

You may need to cut and paste following into a spreadsheet (column delimiter- "|") Ask if you need explanations ... personally I blame Leopold ...

| A1/02 | Father of deceased | {JEŁEK} | JETEK, JEKEL, JECEK | none | none | Yekl Yekusiel | Yekl, Yankel | | |
| A2/01 | Father of Deceased | YCEK ROZENFEIN | 1. YCEK 2. ICK 3. ICKO | 1. ROZENFEIN 2. ROZENFAJN 3. ROSENFEIN | None | איצק / יצחק | Itzek, Yitzhak, Isaac, Icek | Recorded in genitive as YCKA (line 11). | Parent surname recorded as ROZENFAINOWYCH (line 12). |
| A2/01 | Father of Deceased | YCEK ROSENREIM | 1. YCEK 2. ICK 3. ICKO | 1. ROSENREIM 2. ROZENFEIN 3. ROZENFAJN | None | איצק / יצחק | Itzek, Yitzhak, Isaac, Icek | Recorded in the genitive case as Ycka (9-12.jpg), standard Polish administrative standard for Ycek. | Inherits the family surname variant recorded in the record cluster. |
| A1/01 | Mother of deceased | CHAJZA | CHEJZA, CHAJA | none | none | Khaye | Khaye, Khaytse | | |
| A1/02 | Mother of deceased | CHAJŻA | CHAJA, CHEJZA | none | none | Khaye | Khaye, Khaytse | | |
| A2/01 | Mother of Deceased | CHAJA ROZENFEIN | 1. CHAJA 2. CHAYA 3. CHAJE | 1. ROZENFEIN 2. ROZENFAJN 3. ROSENFEIN | None | חיה | Chaja, Chaye, Haya | Recorded in genitive as CHAJEY (line 11). | \ |
| A2/01 | Mother of Deceased | CHAJA ROSENREIM | 1. CHAJA 2. CHAYA 3. CHAJE | 1. ROSENREIM 2. ROZENFEIN 3. ROZENFAJN | None | חיה | Chaja, Chaye, Haya | Recorded in the genitive case as Chajey (9-12.jpg), representing the Hebrew/Yiddish name Chaya. | Family surname is encompassed under the plural genitive descriptor Rozenfainowych (12-15.jpg). |
| A1/01 | Son 1 | {JEŁEK} | JEKEL, JANKEL | none | none | Yekl | Yankel | | |
| A1/02 | Son 1 | {JEŁEK} | JETEK, JEKEL | none | none | Yekl | Yankel | | |
| A2/01 | Surviving Son 1 | YCEK ROZENFEIN | 1. YCEK 2. ICK 3. ICKO | 1. ROZENFEIN 2. ROZENFAJN 3. ROSENFEIN | None | איצק | Itzek, Isaac, Icek | Recorded in accusative as YCKA (line 13). Named after paternal side / family tradition. | Surname derived from father (Rozenfein). |
| A2/01 | Surviving Son 1 | YCEK ROSENREIM | 1. YCEK 2. ICK 3. ICKO | 1. ROSENREIM 2. ROZENFEIN 3. ROZENFAJN | None | איצק | Itzek, Isaac, Icek | Listed as Ycka in the children's enumeration (12-15.jpg). | Patronymic family surname connection. |
| A1/01 | Son 2 | ABRAM | none | none | none | Avrom | Avrum | | |
| A1/02 | Son 2 | ABRAM | none | none | none | Avrom | Avrum | | |
| A2/01 | Surviving Son 2 | ABRAM ROZENFEIN | 1. ABRAM 2. ABRAHAM 3. AVRAM | 1. ROZENFEIN 2. ROZENFAJN 3. ROSENFEIN | None | אברם | Abram, Abraham, Avrum | Recorded in accusative as ABRAMA (line 13). | Surname derived from father (Rozenfein). |

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| A2/01 | Surviving Son 2 | ABRAM ROSENREIM | 1. ABRAM 2. ABRAHAM 3. AVRAM | 1. ROSENREIM 2. ROZENFEIN 3. ROZENFAJN | None | אברם | Abram, Abraham, Avrum | Listed as Abrama in the children's enumeration (12-15.jpg). | Patronymic family surname connection. |
| A1/01 | Son 3 | ZELMAN | ZALMAN, SELMAN | none | none | Zalman | Zalmen | | |
| A1/02 | Son 3 | ZELMAN | ZALMAN, SELMAN | none | none | Zalman | Zalmen | | |
| A1/01 | Daughter(s) | {RAS...} and/or {CHOJŻE} | {RAJZA}, {RASZA} | none | none | unresolved | unresolved | | |
| A1/02 | Daughter 1 | {RAS…} | {RASI}, {RAJZA}, {RASZA} | none | none | Raze? | unresolved | | |
| A1/02 | Daughter 2 | CHOJŻE | CHAJŻE | none | none | Khaye, Khaytse | Khaye, Khaytse | | |
| A2/01 | Surviving Daughter | CHAJA ROZENFEIN | 1. CHAJA 2. CHAYA 3. CHAJE | 1. ROZENFEIN 2. ROZENFAJN 3. ROSENFEIN | None | חיה | Chaja, Chaye, Haya | Recorded in accusative as CHAJĘ (line 14). | Surname derived from father (Rozenfein). |
| A2/01 | Surviving Daughter | CHAJA ROSENREIM | 1. CHAJA 2. CHAYA 3. CHAJE | 1. ROSENREIM 2. ROZENFEIN 3. ROZENFAJN | None | חיה | Chaja, Chaye, Haya | Listed as Chaję in the children's enumeration (12-15.jpg). | Patronymic family surname connection. |
| A1/01 | Declarant 1 (tailor, 42) | LEJBUŚ {SAMOTMAN} | LEJBUS, LEJBIŚ | SAMOTMAR, SAMOTNAN, SZAMOTMAN | Latin “Lejbuś Samotmar”; Hebrew illegible to me | Leyb / Leybush | Leyb, Leybush, Aryeh | | |
| A1/02 | Declarant 1 (tailor, 42) | LEJBUŚ {SAMOTMAN} | LEJBIŚ, LEJBUS | SAMETMAN, SAMOTMAR, SAMUELMAN | Latin "Lejbuś Samotmar"; Hebrew block 1, not read | Leyb / Leybush | Leyb, Leybush, Aryeh | | |
| A2/01 | Declarant 1 | LEYBUŚ SAMENSZTEJN | 1. LEYBUŚ 2. LEJBUŚ 3. LEJB | 1. SAMENSZTEJN 2. SAMENSZTAIN 3. SAMELSZTEJN | לייבוש זאמנשטיין | לייבוש / זאמנשטיין | Leib, Leiba, Lejb, Aryeh Leib | Written LEYBUŚ in text lines 4 and 18. Signature confirms Leybush. | Scribe wrote SAMENSZTIAN / SAMENSZTAIN. Yiddish signature resolves ambiguity to Samensztejn / Samenshtein. |
| A2/01 | Declarant 1 | LEYBUŚ SAMENSZTAIN | 1. LEYBUŚ 2. LEJBUŚ 3. LEJB | 1. SAMENSZTAIN 2. SAMENSZTEJN 3. SAMELsztejn | לייבוש זאמנשטיין | לייבוש / זאמנשטיין | Leib, Leiba, Lejb, Aryeh Leib | The recrop (3-6.jpg) confirms the spelling Leybuś with a distinct soft acute accent on the final character. The Hebrew signature confirms Leybush. | The cursive script clearly resolves to Samensztain in the body (3-6.jpg), reinforced by the Hebrew signature Zamenshteyn / Samenstein (signatures.jpg). |

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| A2/01 | Surviving Son 2 | ABRAM ROSENREIM | 1. ABRAM 2. ABRAHAM 3. AVRAM | 1. ROSENREIM 2. ROZENFEIN 3. ROZENFAJN | None | אברם | Abram, Abraham, Avrum | Listed as Abrama in the children's enumeration (12-15.jpg). | Patronymic family surname connection. |
| A1/01 | Son 3 | ZELMAN | ZALMAN, SELMAN | none | none | Zalman | Zalmen | | |
| A1/02 | Son 3 | ZELMAN | ZALMAN, SELMAN | none | none | Zalman | Zalmen | | |
| A1/01 | Daughter(s) | {RAS...} and/or {CHOJŻE} | {RAJZA}, {RASZA} | none | none | unresolved | unresolved | | |
| A1/02 | Daughter 1 | {RAS…} | {RASI}, {RAJZA}, {RASZA} | none | none | Raze? | unresolved | | |
| A1/02 | Daughter 2 | CHOJŻE | CHAJŻE | none | none | Khaye, Khaytse | Khaye, Khaytse | | |
| A2/01 | Surviving Daughter | CHAJA ROZENFEIN | 1. CHAJA 2. CHAYA 3. CHAJE | 1. ROZENFEIN 2. ROZENFAJN 3. ROSENFEIN | None | חיה | Chaja, Chaye, Haya | Recorded in accusative as CHAJĘ (line 14). | Surname derived from father (Rozenfein). |
| A2/01 | Surviving Daughter | CHAJA ROSENREIM | 1. CHAJA 2. CHAYA 3. CHAJE | 1. ROSENREIM 2. ROZENFEIN 3. ROZENFAJN | None | חיה | Chaja, Chaye, Haya | Listed as Chaję in the children's enumeration (12-15.jpg). | Patronymic family surname connection. |
| A1/01 | Declarant 1 (tailor, 42) | LEJBUŚ {SAMOTMAN} | LEJBUS, LEJBIŚ | SAMOTMAR, SAMOTNAN, SZAMOTMAN | Latin “Lejbuś Samotmar”; Hebrew illegible to me | Leyb / Leybush | Leyb, Leybush, Aryeh | | |
| A1/02 | Declarant 1 (tailor, 42) | LEJBUŚ {SAMOTMAN} | LEJBIŚ, LEJBUS | SAMETMAN, SAMOTMAR, SAMUELMAN | Latin "Lejbuś Samotmar"; Hebrew block 1, not read | Leyb / Leybush | Leyb, Leybush, Aryeh | | |
| A2/01 | Declarant 1 | LEYBUŚ SAMENSZTEJN | 1. LEYBUŚ 2. LEJBUŚ 3. LEJB | 1. SAMENSZTEJN 2. SAMENSZTAIN 3. SAMELSZTEJN | לייבוש זאמנשטיין | לייבוש / זאמנשטיין | Leib, Leiba, Lejb, Aryeh Leib | Written LEYBUŚ in text lines 4 and 18. Signature confirms Leybush. | Scribe wrote SAMENSZTIAN / SAMENSZTAIN. Yiddish signature resolves ambiguity to Samensztejn / Samenshtein. |
| A2/01 | Declarant 1 | LEYBUŚ SAMENSZTAIN | 1. LEYBUŚ 2. LEJBUŚ 3. LEJB | 1. SAMENSZTAIN 2. SAMENSZTEJN 3. SAMELsztejn | לייבוש זאמנשטיין | לייבוש / זאמנשטיין | Leib, Leiba, Lejb, Aryeh Leib | The recrop (3-6.jpg) confirms the spelling Leybuś with a distinct soft acute accent on the final character. The Hebrew signature confirms Leybush. | The cursive script clearly resolves to Samensztain in the body (3-6.jpg), reinforced by the Hebrew signature Zamenshteyn / Samenstein (signatures.jpg). |

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this is the 3rd

| A1/01 | Declarant 2 (labourer, 51) | ABRAM BADNAR | none | BEDNAR, BADMAN | Latin “Abram Badnar”; Hebrew illegible | Avrom | Avrom, Avrum | | |
| A1/02 | Declarant 2 (labourer, 51) | ABRAM BADNAR | none | BEDNAR, BADMAN | Latin "Abram Badnar"; Hebrew block 2, not read | Avrom | Avrom, Avrum | | |
| A2/01 | Declarant 2 | ABRAM BADMAN | 1. ABRAM 2. ABRAHAM 3. AVRAM | 1. BADMAN 2. BODMAN 3. BATMAN | אברם באדמאַן | אברם / באדמאַן | Abram, Abraham, Avrum | Consistently spelled ABRAM across lines 5, 13, and signature. | Unambiguous phonetic spelling in Polish and Yiddish signature (Badman). |
| A2/01 | Declarant 2 | ABRAM BADMAN | 1. ABRAM 2. ABRAHAM 3. AVRAM | 1. BADMAN 2. BODMAN 3. BATMAN | אברם באדמאַן | אברם / באדמאַן | Abram, Abraham, Avrum | Consistently written as Abram without internal variation across lines 5 and 13. | Phonetically and graphically stable surname (Badman) verified in both the Polish text (3-6.jpg) and Hebrew signature (signatures.jpg). |
| A1/01 | Civil registrar | LEOPOLD [SCHULTZ] | none | SCHULZ, SZULC | Latin, matches images 2 and 3 | n/a | n/a | | |
| A1/02 | Registrar | LEOPOLD [SCHULTZ] | none | SCHULZ, SZULC | Latin, matches other acts | n/a | n/a | | |

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