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Category: Translation - Hungarian
Approval Date: 3/11/2026 2:30 PM
Family Surname: Kindervatter
Country: Hungary
Town: Gyöngyös
Date of Image: 1904

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Attached is the birth record of Ibolya Kindervatter, my second cousin thrice removed. Born in Gyöngyös to Benjámin Bertalan Barbás (Kindervatter) and Margit Kindervatter Barbás (Silberman̅). It seems that Benjámin adopted an all-Hungarian surname in replacement of his German-Jewish one, as did my grandfather's immediate family. I would appreciate your assistance in the translation of the document.

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3/12/2026 1:49 PM

Number 189. Dated in Gyöngyös, 24 March 1904.
Informant: the below-named father, whom the below-written assistant registrar knows personally.
Father: Benjamin Kindervatter, Jewish, café owner (literally "with coffee, coffee-y"), residence Gyöngyös, Jókai Mór street number 136, birthplace Gyöngyös, age 30 years.
Mother: Mrs. Benjamin Kindervatter born Margit Silbermann, Jewish, residence same as husband's, birthplace Gyöngyös-Halász, Heves county, age 25 years.
Birth: Gyöngyös, parents' residence, 20 March 1904, 10 a.m.
Child: girl, Jewish, Ibolya.
Read forth, approved, and signed.
(Margin:) Addendum 128/1928.
Addendum 88/1934.
Addendum 151/1941.

I cannot find any trace of this family in MACSE's name-changes database (https://macse.hu/db/names/names.php).

The first addendum refers to Ibolya's marriage, which makes no mention of any name changes.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PC7-V9Z?lang=en&i=208&cc=1452460

153. Gyöngyös, 3 Oct 1928.
Groom: Kálmán Puky (divorced), R.Cath., landowner, born Szárazbeő 24 Oct 1881, res. Gyöngyös
Parents: the late Miklós Puky, Mária Tamási
Bride: Ibolya Kindervatter, outside a denomination, born Gyöngyös, 20 March 1904, res. Gyöngyös
Parents: Benjámin Kindervatter, Margit Silberman
Witnesses: Lajos Károly, Gyöngyös, Hanisz square n. 9; Dr. Béla Hajdu, Gyöngyös, Vértanu st. n. 8
Addendum 1/1934.
Addendum 5/1941. Addendum 5/1966.

(Funeral notice of Ibolya's father-in-law is from 1911, so naturally makes no mention of her: https://dspace.oszk.hu/handle/20.500.12346/506128#)

Ah: Benjámin's death record. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPZS-31B?lang=en&i=250&cc=1452460
466. Entered 9 Dec 1942, died 8 Dec 1942, 6 p.m.
Deceased: Benjámin Borbás, private clerk, Gyöngyös, Ferdinand st. 21, Jewish, age 69 years.
Spouse: Margit Silberman
Parents: the late Jakab Kindervater, the late Netti Schneller
Cause: old age ("final weakening"), stomach ulcer
Pre-signature remarks: the deceased was known by the given name "Bertalan" in public life.
Mrs. Kálmán Puky, informant.

The name is clearly Borbás, not Barbás: compare for example the surname Baranyi in the preceding entry. (Still nothing in MACSE, though.)

Marriage of Benjámin and Margit (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPC9-JMT?lang=en&i=349&cc=1452460) has "Addendum 27/1934", so they clearly did _something_ in 1934.... Unfortunately, the addenda-booklets were only included in the filming in places that are now Austria; everywhere else, they're basically completely inaccessible.

(Regarding Margit's name: the English- and German-style switching of just the surname wasn't added to the official possibilities in Hungary until the 1970s. She was officially never Margit Kindervatter or Margit Borbás; her names were Margit Silberman, Mrs. Benjamin Kindervatter, and Mrs. Bertalan Borbás.)

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