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Submitted by Elise Frances Miller

Information Picture Question
Category: Photo Identification
Approval Date: 6/20/2018 3:04 PM
Family Surname: Greenberg or Grynberg
Country: Lithuania
Town: Liubavas (today)
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Does anyone have an opinion, from the clothing or other visual clues, when (approx. date) this photo was taken?

My great-grandfather, Hirsh Greenberg, had 3 wives, and children by all (lots of cousins!). This is either wife 1 or 2. If wife 1 it was in the 1850s, if wife 2 it was in the early 1870s. They lived in what is now Liubavas, Lithuania, a village 1 mile from the Polish border (then Lebova, Suwalki Gubernia, Russia). Hirsh was an administrator of a gentile’s farm with 50 Jewish tenants. I assume this is a wedding photo. They might have gone to Marijampole, Vilkiviskis, or even Suvalki or some other bigger town to take the photo.

Our genealogist cousins would love to know which wife this was! Thank you for any light you can shine on this!


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6/23/2018 5:21 AM I would guess the 70s.
6/23/2018 5:54 AM I concur with the 1870 date, or possibly into the 1880s. The woman's dress is typical of the late 19th century styles and puts her more in the category of a city dweller. She is very stylish, by the way. The shirtwaist sleeves, the bodice, the slim skirt, her collar, and most significantly the hair style (even if she's religious and wearing a wig) I'd date about 1880. In the 1850s, most stylish women had center parted, severely pulled back hair, and full skirts. Think Mary Lincoln and the styles around the Civil War. Since there was no ready-to-wear, women copied the Paris styles they saw in catalogs to be in style.
6/24/2018 9:10 AM it's hard to date, because styles didn't spread uniformly. but the man's clothing looks surprisingly modern, even for the 1880's.

if you can, it might help to examine the picture outside of whatever frame it may be in. the photographers usually worked in a studio, and put the business name and address and the negative number around the edge or on the back. the negative number might include a clue to the date.
6/24/2018 9:20 AM Based on the history of photography, this photo was taken any time starting 1880's and forward. Therefore, it cannot be the 1st wife.

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