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Information Picture Question
Category: Photo Identification
Approval Date: 10/2/2013 4:56 PM
Family Surname: Ravson (Rawson)
Country: Germany
Date of Image: 1908
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Can anyone help me with the origin of my relatives based on their dress? I think that my great-grandfather was born in Germany in 1871 and I believe these are relatives of his. I am interested to know if the photo can be dated, where it might have been taken, and if these people look like they are from a certain area or country. Thanks very much.

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10/4/2013 4:43 AM
On the first picture the person has three decorations (military or civilian?) whereof the ribbons are typically of Russian style and not at all German (oblique superposition: front part of ribbon oblique upon back part of ribbon).
That's all I can say. . Perhaps a specialist of Russian medals can identify these decorations, I already did abt 90 % successfully for Belgian or French decorations but know nothing about Russian decorations. However there're surely websites with the inventory of (in color), for the different periods (Empire probably).
Because the colors are not really necessary : the number, arrangement, respective widths and rhythm of the stripes are I believe never the same for two different decorations, the nature of shading also helps.
Good luck!

Etienne JONES
et.jones@scarlet.be
Antwerp (Belgium)







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10/4/2013 9:22 AM Based on the fact that the CDV (carte de visite) has its studo in English, I would say that the photo was taken in either the US or UK. Had it been taken in Germany (or German Empire) the Cabinet would have been spelled Kabinette. The background is typical of the Victorian era, as was the proliferation of CDV photos. I cannot tell if the medals are English or other military, but I can tell that they are not US. The set of coins the gentleman has is important, but I would need to see what they are to understand the significance. Additionally, a good view of the Kaddish cup would help identify time and perhaps national origin. Is there anything on the back of the CDV to give a clue?
10/6/2013 4:54 PM I don't agree that the words "Cabinet Portrait" signify that the photo was taken in the U.S. or U.K. I have a number of family photos taken in Russia in the 1910s with this marking.

Rather, "Cabinet Portrait" was a particular size and format of photograph. The English words were probably used to associate the photographers with the fancy studios of London or Paris, much as menus everywhere in the world used, and use, "foreign" French terms like "hors d'oeuvres." See these pages for more information, and for other examples from Russia marked "Cabinet Portrait" in English:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/DSphotomass4D9.htm
http://cabinetcardgallery.wordpress.com/category/russia/
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